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 Beware Of Evil Forces
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Forces of evil abound in this world. What else could motivate someone to randomly kill innocent men, women, and children by blowing himself up with a bomb? Most human beings can easily recognize the evil of a suicide bombing, even when it is cloaked with the smoke screen of a “religious” or political cause.

We easily discern the working of evil forces in the thoughts, attitudes, and behaviors of others. But as human beings we often fail to see the working of forces of evil within our own thoughts, attitudes, and behaviors.

During the past 5 years I have interviewed about 1200 men who habitually abuse alcohol and use drugs. As these guys tell me their stories of destruction, I am always amazed at how much evil their behavior has caused — lies and deception; broken hearts of loved ones; drunk driving injuries and deaths; stealing from friends, employers, and even close family members; the sexual disrespect of women; fraud and hypocrisy; various crimes committed; random acts of violence; the abandonment and/or abuse of their children; and on and on.

After hearing their stories of the misery that they have personally caused, I ask them this question: “So, what kind of person are you?” Almost all of them answer: “I am a good person.”

Like most human beings, the men I work with refuse to admit and acknowledge the evil of their own hearts and minds. However, we can never win a long-term victory over the forces of evil in the world until we begin to recognize and defeat those forces of evil that are working in our own thoughts, attitudes, and behaviors.

“Even if we transport all bombs to the moon, the roots of war and the roots of bombs are still here, in our hearts and minds, and sooner or later we will make more bombs. To work for peace is to uproot war from ourselves and from the hearts of men and women.” –Thich Nhat Hanh

It takes much courage to recognize, face, admit, and strive to overcome the evil within ourselves. We are so inclined to justify ourselves. However, one man who faced the evil within his own heart and spent his life trying to overcome it was Paul of Tarsus, who wrote much of the New Testament. He never claimed to be a good person. Instead Paul said: “O wretched man that I am.”
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De niel isn't a river in Egypt!!!  
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Wednesday June 20, 2007 @ 11:44 AM






Quiz
 
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by Quizette (PM , CC ) on Wednesday June 20, 2007 @ 12:26 PM




The Nile is a river in Egypt though, AZRON.  
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by Attitude-engineer (PM , CC ) on Wednesday June 20, 2007 @ 11:40 PM




I'm amazed at how many you've interviewed and had a first hand account of their lives. Sometimes I think on earth, the battle with evil is neverending, save when the end times come.  
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by starwalker (PM , CC ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @ 5:21 AM




Yep, we don't wanna come to the light, AE, cuz it reveals the sin in our hearts, right? Ooooo, can't admit I'm a sinner, baby, cuz I am the PERFECT suburban housewife, aren't I AE? Cain't be letting anybody know I'm not POIFECT!

That's the scripture that got me saved. I read it one day. I do what I don't want to do and I don't do what I should do.......o wretched (wo)man that I am........all I could do was sit there and nod. Tears came down my cheeks. I was killing myself, AE. I was 23 years old and body worship had consumed me. Oh, I know, they call it anorexia...bulimia....that's not really what it is though, is it? It's BODY WORSHIP! I've had well-meaning Christians tell me I am wrong about that? Yeah, whattatheyknow anyway, right? They were never bent over in excrutiating pain from taking a half a bottle of laxatives. Have they even fasted three days? I fast NOW, AE....that's what "the fast lane" in my title means, but I reFUSED to fast for YEARS after I became a Christian. Too scared of my own head on that. If I did the one day church thing, it could turn into a seven or ten day marathon 'POH is starving herself' thing.

Well, I wasn't POH back then. I was just an insecure housewife with fledgling faith and little support in it. Now that I got me a little faith.....stirred it UP, like Paul told me to (well, okaaaaay, he told Timothy, but methinks he was tellin' me too. Whattayou think, AE?)....I don't worry so much about whether I eat or don't eat. Eating...fasting...it's all to the glory of God!

Sheeeesh, what got me off on THAT today? Oh well..........I got ya this song to wake you up this fine morning, AE. It's only the 30 second "preview" edition, I couldn't find the full length song. That's okay, it included my favorite line from the song..........


"STOP ASKIN' OPRAH WHAT TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!!"





 
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by prisonerofhope (PM , CC ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @ 6:14 AM




Hey, Quizette. Thanks for stopping by!  
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by Attitude-engineer (PM , CC ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @ 8:40 AM




Starwalker: In the past 5 years I have interviewed and counseled somewhere between 1,200 and 1,400 addicts and alcoholics.  
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by Attitude-engineer (PM , CC ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @ 9:36 AM




I was wondering if when these men told they thought they were 'good' if they had a different definition than you did.

I have met many persons with addictions who were 'good'. they would give you the shirt off their back, they would care for and cry with you. so in that sense they were 'good'. now they may have moral and legal failings - DUIs, charges for assault, etc. but they don't see those as having anything to do with being 'good'. They might say, "my heart is good, I just made a bunch of stupid mistakes."

It would be interesting to talk to them about what they mean by 'good'?

ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @ 12:15 PM




Ron: The Bible says that "the heart is desperately wicked" so how can it be good? Jesus said that "there is none good but the Father." So how can any of us, human beings, be good people?  
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by Attitude-engineer (PM , CC ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @ 10:36 PM




A-E, I know many non-churched people who are better husbands, wives, parents, children, employers, employees, neighbors than those who would say they are 'born again.' For years I was puzzled about this until I discovered Romans 2 which talks about the law written on the heart, what some theologians call 'natural law.' I believe that God has written on the human heart what his desires are for right living and many people do this. This 'right living' doesn't 'save' them but it is testimony to what might be called 'general' grace - a grace to be distinquished from 'salvific' grace. I believe the fall flawed the human spirit and created a rift between God and humanity, a rift that Jesus, the Second Adam, came to repair through his death and resurrection. The fall most seriously damaged our will so it is our wills which must be 'saved' or returned to their relationship with God. Total depravity doesn't mean that I am obliged to do only evil things, it means that we have a propensity to choose evil for good. Many people chose good over evil. The men sitting in front of you have wills that have not been given to God; they sometimes choose to respond to the law written on their hearts. So I understand the text 'the heart is desperately wicked' to mean that heart is capable of the most vile evil imagineable. It doesn't mean that every person does the most vile evil imagineable. In fact, the Bible says God restrains human evil - I take that this restraint is largely through the law written on human hearts.

Sorry for the long comment.
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @ 10:59 PM




Good points, AZRON. It is a matter of perspective. Compared to Hitler you and I might be "good" people. However, compared to Jesus, we (at least me) are not "good" people. God is our standard and according to Him "all your righteousness is as filthy rags." Our righteousness is our very best behavior. That doesn't sound like we are "good" people to me.  
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by Attitude-engineer (PM , CC ) on Friday June 22, 2007 @ 8:42 AM


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   
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